Chops Galore: Guitarist Audley Freed by Lisa Sharken for gibson.com Wednesday April 3rd, 2002 Audley Freed first gained recognition as guitarist and primary songwriter with acclaimed North Carolina-based rockers Cry Of Love. The group released two albums, Brother (1992) and Diamonds & Debris (1997), before splitting up in the late 90s. Shortly after, Freed hooked up with the Black Crowes. His soulful blues-rooted riffs proved the perfect complement to the group’s sound and he has since been an essential part of the Crowes’ lineup. A first-rate player, Freed can jam on almost any style of music and holds his own aside veterans like Jimmy Page, Leslie West and Warren Haynes. Currently, while the Crowes are on hiatus, Freed is staying busy and enjoying the opportunity to play stints with bands like Gov’t Mule. In an exclusive interview for gibson.com, Freed recalled his early musical influences and noted various players who inspired him along the way, helping to develop his style and shape his tone, and steer him towards the gear he uses today. He tells us why his Les Pauls, Firebirds and Gibson acoustics are the essential tools in his touring arsenal. Who were your influences as a musician? What inspired you to play guitar? I guess I’d always shown a certain amount of interest in it. As a kid, I really liked music and there was some music in my house. My mom played piano in church and my dad was a country music fan, so there were always George Jones records and Dave Dudley truck-driving records to go along with my mom’s Tom Jones records and things like that. One of my best friends who I grew up with, he played guitar and I suppose that he inspired me to pick it up, too. It always seemed like an insurmountable task to a little kid. You think you’ll never be able to do it and two or three months seem like two years when you’re trying to practice. My folks signed me up for lessons and I just showed a bit of aptitude for it. I remember coming out of my third lesson and my guitar teacher telling some of the other guys who were working in the music store, “This guy is going to be the next Eric Clapton.” I remember thinking, “Who is that?” I was a little kid... I had no idea who Eric Clapton was. So I took some lessons for a while, but most of my education came from the turntable and once I got enough, from going out to see local guys play and hanging out with dudes who were older than me. Which players were most influential to you in the development of your style and tone? When I first started out, I was into rock and a lot of music that was on AM radio. Back then, you’d hear Al Green next to Yes, next to Neil Young, next to Sly & The Family Stone, next to Led Zeppelin. But once I got hooked on this guitar thing, it became the guitar stuff that I really sort of gravitated toward. It was always the usual suspects for kids that were my age were listening to. I remember buying a copy of Kiss Alive and ZZ Top Tres Hombres on the same day. My dad had been in the army, so we would go to the PX at Camp Lejeune in Jacksonville Marine Base in North Carolina to look at records and then I’d save up my money for the ones I’d want. I grew up in a really small town called Burgaw, North Carolina and we didn’t even have a 7-Eleven or any kind of chain store until I was about 16 years old. Every once in a while we would get a Creem or Circus magazine and I’d see pictures in there of guys playing Les Pauls and ads for records. I remember thumbing through the records at the PX and seeing Robin Trower and ZZ Top records. I would have four dollars and I’d have to decide which one to get. I was into Billy Gibbons and ZZ Top, especially Tres Hombres and Fandango, which both had a big affect on me as a player, especially the guitar sounds. Lynyrd Skynyrd’s live album, One More From The Road, was a really big influence on me because there were three guitar players and they all had their own sound and their own approach. I wasn’t really far enough along in my ear development to really know who was playing what all the time, but I could figure it out some of the time. I could pick out what a Les Paul or a Strat sounded like. I was also into Jimmy Page and I learned a lot of the Zeppelin stuff and his solos. I also listened to Allman Bros. and Marshall Tucker Band and that’s were where I got a lot of my major pentatonic riffs. I was also influenced by songs that were on the radio by bands like Bachman Turner Overdrive, the Doobie Brothers, the Outlaws and Johnny Winter. Were there particular players who influenced your choices in gear? The first guitar I ever had was a Crown Les Paul copy with a little Marlboro amp and I remember wondering why I couldn’t make it sound like “Black Dog.” I’d turn it up to 10 and I just couldn’t get it to sound like Led Zeppelin or the stuff that I was hearing. I didn’t really understand why and then somebody finally told me about something called a fuzzbox. So I got one. Then my folks - God bless them for supporting me - bought me a Les Paul Custom. It was a ’77 - it was back when they were making the natural wood ones with a three-piece top. It was so cool to have a real Les Paul. I had wanted a Peavey Mace amp because I had seen it in an ad in Creem magazine and it said, “As used by Lynyrd Skynyrd.” But my buddy talked me out of the Mace and I ended up with a 2x12 Marshall JMP combo, which is a great sounding amp. But at that point, I still didn’t know what I was doing. I was a late bloomer as far as that stuff goes. So that was what I had going into college and I also had a Firebird that a friend had sold me, which was a ’66 straight-body one. I think it had been sunburst at one time, but somebody had painted it white. A friend had sold it to me for $300 in 1980 and I later routed it for a humbucker.... I think I got the Les Paul because all the rockers back then were using them - everyone from Billy Gibbons to Jimmy Page to Mick Ralphs and Gary Rossington. I’d wanted a Firebird because Allen Collins and Johnny Winter had one, but I couldn’t get my hands on a reverse one. This one had a great neck. I used the Les Paul and Firebird for a while and then the Van Halen phenomenon came along and I switched over to a whammy bar guitar for a couple of years and used a variety of amps, but never really got into the effects. Then I got into Hendrix, Trower and Stevie Ray Vaughan and I had a Warmouth Strat built with a hard-tail bridge and I used that through the Cry Of Love period along with a couple of other Fender Strats. But then once the Cry Of Love thing grinded to a halt, I felt like I wanted to make a change and start fresh. That’s when I got back into Gibsons and using Les Pauls. I got a ’56 Historic Goldtop that I used quite a bit on that first Black Crowes tour and then I got a ’59Historic that Tom Murphy had aged. The finish on it was really cool. To me, this one looked more like Joe Walsh’s guitar and some of the original bursts you would see back in the day. I’ve used it a whole lot since I got it. How does your approach to playing differ with your different Gibson guitars? Well, I would approach a Firebird a little bit more stacatto, whereas with a Les Paul, you can use your neck pickup and get that really creamy, legato thing flowing. With a Firebird, I would probably tend to go in between the two pickups and go for a little more snap. Which Gibson guitars did you have out on the last Black Crowes tour? I was using that ’59, mostly. That was my number one guitar. In fact, for some shows, I would use it for just about everything, unless there was open tuning involved. I had a Firebird that Chris Robinson gave me that I used for open F# tuning. I also had my ’56 Goldtop and a J-45 acoustic, which is an absolutely great-sounding guitar. But for that gig and that tour, I really leaned on the ’59 Les Paul. How are your guitars set up? I usually use .010-.046 gauge strings on all the electrics. But if I’m tuning down, I might use a heavier set. I like a medium action and like my neck to be adjusted so it’s fairly straight, but with a little relief in them. For playing slide, I like it totally straight. Which effects were you using onstage? I usually use some kind of overdrive for solos, but not for rhythm. I have a Klon Centaur that I love and I was using a Tube Screamer, which I like for certain characteristics. The Klon is really transparent, which I really like, but the Tube Screamer colors your tone with a specific sort of midrange spike that’s cool, especially if you’re using the front pickup on a Les Paul. If you’re playing leads, it’s real articulate. I also had a Chandler echo, a Fulltone Deja Vibe, Fulltone Tonebender Fuzz, an MXR Dyna Comp that I would use if I was using an country licks, along with an Ernie Ball Volume pedal and a little bit of echo. I’ve got a Prescription Electronics Clean Octave box that I kick on now and then and a Vox wah. That was about it. The real mainstay effects for any gig are a good overdrive, a wah pedal and some kind of modulation pedal like a Deja Vibe and a Rotosphere, which I didn’t use on this gig because there’s another guitar player and a Hammond organ player. What was it like to play with Jimmy Page? What did you learn from the experience? It was pretty insane. The gigs were one thing, but the rehearsals were something else. To be able to stand there, face to face, discussing parts and figuring out who was going to play what, it was a mind blower. I was playing with a guy whose licks and songs I’ve tried to figure out for years. I’d woodshed a whole lot on that stuff for about a month before we started rehearsing because I wanted to make sure that I had my end of it down. I learned all the parts on the songs from the original recordings. If there were three guitar parts, I learned all of them. I also had some bootlegs that I used to sort out what he played live, back in the day. Then I got together with Rich and we went over the parts. I’d point out the parts that I thought Jimmy would play and then Rich and I would go over the parts that we thought we should do. I was bound and determined to not look like an idiot when Jimmy Page walked into the room. When he got there, we showed him what we were doing and asked him what he thought. About 90 percent of the time, it was correct, so we kind of had it covered. We just kind of worked around what he did. Going back through that Zeppelin catalog and figuring a lot of those songs out was quite an experience, too. I realized where I had gotten a lot of my own riffs from. I learned a whole lot just listening to those Led Zeppelin records really closely and figuring out these parts. Nothing was too precious. There was a lot of yin and yang in the Zeppelin compositions and in the performance end of it. Some of it would sound really tossed off, but so charming that it worked. That’s what gave it the vibe and made it rock. But there were other things that were so meticulously crafted, too. It’s really admirable when you see people who are able to let go of things when they need to and to really get down and fine tune things when they need to. I think Jimmy Page was a master of that. Tell us about some of your other highlight gigs. The tour with Oasis was really fun. They’d come out and play a different song with us every night and it was just a good hang. They’re great guys. We did some shows with Neil Young in England that were really educational. Talk about a guy whose still potent and still viable and really into his thing.... It was really inspirable in that way. We played the Allen Woody Tribute show at Roseland last year. That was pretty touching - everybody coming together, like the Allman Bros., Leslie West, Artemus Pyle. All of those people had such respect for Woody and he wasn’t some major star who was in the media all the time. It just goes to show that quality as a person and as a musician affects people a lot more deeply than things that you’re told to like and appreciate. What kind of music do you listen to for enjoyment? It depends on what kind of mood I’m in. The four records that I have in front of me right now are George Harrison’s All Things Must Pass, disc 3 of the James Brown box set, the first Leon Russell record and a Charlie Rich compilation. I’ll crank up some rock if I’m just having a good time on a Saturday night, like anything from some ’70s AM compilation to a George Jones record to a Thin Lizzy record. There are plenty of new records that I like, but I tend to gravitate toward the older stuff. What advice would you give to other guitarists on developing their own sound and style? Take in everything and mix it up. I’ve been through a lot of phases of playing. I grew up learning honky tonk rock while at the same time I was into Led Zeppelin and Hendrix. Back then, I didn’t realize that when Hendrix was playing “Wait Until Tomorrow,” that it was all Curtis Mayfield licks and R&B stuff. Years later, through a little digging, I learned where it came from and realized that maybe I should get a Curtis Mayfield record and listen to it. So I started searching out the roots of my favorite players. Now I understand that in Lynyrd Skynyrd, Allen Collins was the Clapton-ish guy, Gary Rossington was more the Paul Kossoff. Ed King and Steve Gaines were more the country-type guys. So once you know who your heroes were listening to, then you figure that you should go and check those guys out. I remember reading interviews when I was a kid, where guys would talk about Clapton’s Wheels Of Fire, so I figured that I needed to go out and get this record. I knew a lot of local guys who were a bit older than me and in bands. I’d go out to see them play and they probably influenced me as much as any other guitar player I grew up listening to. They also turned me onto some important players. I remember that I had two Kiss records, Destroyer and Alive, and a buddy told me that those Kiss records were cool, but he turned me onto Mountain Twin Peaks live. I was lucky enough to have guys who would kind of guide me and turn me onto some of this stuff. It was the same thing with the Allman Bros. Fillmore East record. I had the Brothers & Sisters album, but I didn’t really understand Fillmore East. It was a little bit over my head as a kid. But once you do the digging, then you understand where this comes from. Duane Allman introduces this Bobby Blue Bland song, “Stormy Monday,” then says that it’s actually a T-Bone Walker song, then years later, you figure that you should actually go and check this T-Bone Walker stuff out. You keep following the roots and learn where all of the riffs came from. The history of all this stuff is important and you begin to understand where it comes from. You really understand where everything is coming from tonewise and from a historical perspective. I figured that if Hendrix had so much of an R&B influence then maybe I should start learning to play some decent R&B guitar. I just make stabs at playing some R&B, straight blues and country licks. Even though I’m a rock guitar player, that stuff still gets into the mix. I think it’s really important to take all of those influences and put them together. If you like Stevie Ray Vaughan, don’t try to play exactly like him. If you like his guitar sound and his licks, take ‘em, but turn them into your own thing. It’s more fun to do it that way anyway and then you end up sounding like you. I never really got fixated on any one player, wanting to play exactly like that guitarist. There are just so many good players out there and there’s so much you can learn from them. I think I have a definable sound and style of my own, and I guess that’s how you arrive at it - plus, a whole lot of hard work playing and working at it. Just go with what you feel in your musical soul and what you hear in your head. Gravitate towards what you like and try to have an open mind. What tips can you offer on practicing? Do you have any sort of regular practice regime? I do. I go through phases with my practice routines. Sometimes I won’t practice that much for like three years. Instead, I’ll work on writing songs and recording. I think that one of the best things in the world you can do is to learn songs off of records and learn about what you’re doing. Learn some theory, even if it’s just the basics. You don’t really need to go beyond that. In the end, it will really help you to understand what you’re doing. If you’re painting, it really helps you to understand what the names of the colors are. I think that taking stuff off records is really good to inspire ideas and working with a metronome is great for your timing, but it’s really boring and I’m not so sure it’s really going to make you any more musical or soulful. I think it would be better to put on a record that’s got a good pocket and really concentrate on that and just play along. Repetition, for me, is the key to getting something down. You can learn a song or a riff, but if you don’t come back to it then it’s really of no use. When I’m really working on stuff, I’ll take things apart and then play them every day. That way, it becomes part of your vocabulary. Try to make the learning process fun. Play things that you enjoy hearing and focus on strengthening your weak spots, like maybe your timing or your intonation. If it’s specific technique things that you’re working on, just figure out what works for you as a regime and then just do it every day. Lisa Sharken is a New York City based freelance writer. She regularly contributes to national guitar and music media as well as gibson.com.